Forum Activity for @Alan McClure

Alan McClure
@Alan McClure
03/10/09 20:35:22
73 posts

Molding Chocolate


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John,I fear that my following post comes across as me lecturing, which is not my intent in the least. I know that you are as versed in chocolate tempering physics as I am, and perhaps more so. The lengthy diatribe is for Lemm's sake, and is hopefully helpful to him. There are some parts that are relevant to what you typed above, however, so I am "replying" to you.Begin:Right, as Wybauw says, extreme cooling--either too cold or for too long--will lead to unstable crystal types and, therefore, bloom, but Wybauw also recommends cooling molded chocolate at temperatures approaching 40 F and with large volumes of air--not an exact quote. I'm not recommending extreme cooling, and I don't think that Lemm would necessarily need temperatures approaching 40 F. This is especially the case since Wybauw is talking about a production environment where there would likely be a lot of thermal mass in chocolate and molds that would have to be cooled at once, and Lemm is probably only dealing with a few molds.It still sounds to me like this is a cooling issue based upon Lemm's following comments:1) it snaps and looks good when spread on a thin piece of wax paper--probably in contact with the top of a counter, which would cool it more effectively through direct contact. Molds keep chocolate up off of additional solid objects like counters and one must depend upon the convection of the air to do the cooling.2) it has bloom issues when molded, and more issues against the mold than the part exposed to the air.3) House temperature is 72 F, which is relatively warm.4) Lemm said that cooling the molded bars in the fridge get's rid of the bloomI could be wrong, and certainly trying to diagnose without seeing things is tricky at best, but I feel that Lemm is not removing enough of the latent heat of crystallization quickly enough in the thicker molded pieces, and this is compounded by the insulating properties of the molds, the relatively warm 72F room temp, and likely the lack of air flow, leading to bloom on the surface and back of the bars.The idea of moisture forming on the mold prior to pouring the chocolate, as Lemm suggested in an earlier post, seems to be contradicted by Lemm's comment that the bloom doesn't happen when the molds are pre-cooled. If it was moisture on the mold due to high relative humidity that was causing sugar bloom, then I would expect the problem to be worse with mold pre-cooling, not better. I agree with John that pre-cooling molds is not a good idea.Lemm, you mentioned "thin plastic molds." Do you have the injection molds--not too flexible, or the thermoform molds--pretty flexible? They both will insulate, but the injection molds insulate quite a bit more.Anyway, you'd be surprised how very small things that you'd think shouldn't matter can impact molded chocolate.Alan
John DePaula
@John DePaula
03/10/09 18:01:21
45 posts

Molding Chocolate


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"Thanks John for giving me some sign to tell the difference between sugar and fat bloom.You got me curious now for that last phrase of your first sentence, "for lots of reasons". Would appreciate more info...please."- I think someone mentioned that moisture could form on the mold before you actually put in the chocolate- the chocolate will set too quickly which, depending on your mold, will lead to lots more bubbles- (Alan please correct me if I'm wrong) If you cool the chocolate too rapidly, one of the unstable crystal types forms, leading to loss of gloss, fat bloom and sensitivity to touch (according to Wybauw).
Lemm Huang
@Lemm Huang
03/10/09 17:31:56
13 posts

Molding Chocolate


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Alan,Thanks. What you said settles it.But, I still find it amazing that a thin piece of plastic should make so much difference. The spaces in the mold were tiny and not deep (3 grams each, 5mm). If it were possible to measure the temperatures of the chocolate in the mold and the one on the parchment paper cooling down, I highly doubt that there would be any difference.
Alan McClure
@Alan McClure
03/10/09 16:02:36
73 posts

Molding Chocolate


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Right. The molds keep the chocolate warm longer. They act as insulators. Try cooling the chocolate more quickly either with colder air, more airflow, or both.
Lemm Huang
@Lemm Huang
03/10/09 15:40:24
13 posts

Molding Chocolate


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Thanks John for giving me some sign to tell the difference between sugar and fat bloom.You got me curious now for that last phrase of your first sentence, "for lots of reasons". Would appreciate more info...please.Rae, I have tried to cool them in the fridge and it does get rid of the bloom. It was the wax and parchment paper experiment that got me. And yes, the tempered chocolate was snappy and shiny.
Rae Stang
@Rae Stang
03/10/09 15:18:02
1 posts

Molding Chocolate


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I think your room is too warm. does this happen when you put the filled molds in the fridge to cool?If the chocolate when spread thinly on wax paper dries shiny & snappy and it feels cool to your lower lipit should be tempered.try putting the filled molds in the fridge to harden.You have to take away the heat that's released by the chocolate as it cools. either with cold air or at least a fan.
John DePaula
@John DePaula
03/10/09 14:54:22
45 posts

Molding Chocolate


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I don't think "pre-cooling" the molds is a good idea for lots of reasons.Fat bloom is more cloudy and diffuse; sugar bloom you will see white specs form.
Lemm Huang
@Lemm Huang
03/10/09 13:03:54
13 posts

Molding Chocolate


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Thanks for all your responses.As I mentioned, I don't get this problem when I pre-cool the molds in the fridge and then I leave the chocolate to harden at room temperature.What I still don't understand is why I did not get bloom when I poured it on parchment or wax paper leaving it to cool at room temperature?I had a thought recently that the chocolate mixture cools down in the molds, and minute traces of moisture forms from condensation but is trapped by the chocolate mixture itself - this extra trapped humidity causing the bloom. That's probably why I don't get it with wax and parchment paper. Perhaps the plastic mold keeps the mixture warm longer than the more exposed mixture on wax or parchment paper. Heck, I don't know....Another question that could be related: How do you tell the difference between cocoa butter bloom and sugar bloom?
Tom
@Tom
03/10/09 03:24:47
205 posts

Molding Chocolate


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I agree with Alan, I had a similar problem but just putting the filled molds in the fridge for 5 mins works a treat each time. Carefull not to leave in the fridge too long as it will condense water on the surface in humid places. Fortunately where I live is dry as a bone.
Jeff Pzena
@Jeff Pzena
03/09/09 22:38:45
2 posts

Molding Chocolate


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I had the same experience until I accidentally left some molds under an air conditioner. It worked perfectly. I've found 60 F and a fan works very nicely.
Alan McClure
@Alan McClure
03/06/09 07:24:23
73 posts

Molding Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You need to cool the chocolate more quickly after molding. That will likely solve your problem.
Lemm Huang
@Lemm Huang
03/06/09 06:00:42
13 posts

Molding Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I've already posted this question on the Homebrew Group, but without a response so far. I'm posting it here in hopes that I will get some feedback.I am still getting fat bloom even after tempering the chocolate. I've tried molding at different temperatures (86 F to 89 F for dark chocolate) and two different methods (lowering temperature of whole batch to 82 F then up to 86F-89F versus taking about 1/3 to 1/2 of batch to cool and seed first then mix with rest), and I do it quite slowly to allow time for the beta V crystals to form.The bloom appears most heavily on the underside of the mold (where the chocolate touches the plastic). Minor blooming occurs on the chocolate exposed to the air.I don't get this problem when the batch is poured unto wax or parchment paper, when the molds are pre-cooled or when lecithin is used.The tempering does work from the standpoint of melting times. I did blind tests with my family to confirm this.I thought about this long, but cannot figure out why? Has anyone experienced this? Is their a solution?Here's more info.- The temperature of the house is around 72 F, very low humidity, winter here in Canada.- Using organic unsweetened chocolate, cocoa powder, cocoa butter from fermented, unroasted cocoa beans.- Using powdered sugar.- No emulsifiers used.- Using tiny batches of 100 grams or less for experimentation.- Use a heating pad and a digital candy thermometer which has been tested for accuracy.- I control the rate of the temperature rising by lifting on and off the heating pad, a glass cup containing the tiny batch of chocolate.
updated by @Lemm Huang: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Despina Antypa
@Despina Antypa
10/20/09 06:33:28
12 posts

Corn Syrup


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Hello AndreI think alternatively you could use glycose syrup.
John DePaula
@John DePaula
04/24/09 14:23:36
45 posts

Corn Syrup


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Unfortunately, unless you're just making them for friends and family, a "week or so" shelf-life isn't going to work.Invert sugar certainly has its place, but I'm pretty sure I won't be using rosemary extract to extend shelf-life.
Malena Lopez-Maggi
@Malena Lopez-Maggi
04/24/09 13:26:01
13 posts

Corn Syrup


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Don't use it! It's completely unnecessary and just sounds cheap when listed on an ingredient label. The high fructose variety is definitely bad for you. If you're worried about binding active water to extend the shelf life, invert sugar is a confectioner's secret weapon and so are culinary antioxidants like rosemary extract. But you can get by without either of these as long as the chocolates are eaten within a week or so. The fresher the better anyway...
John DePaula
@John DePaula
04/23/09 14:42:00
45 posts

Corn Syrup


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Lana, if you're planning to order some organic corn syrup in large quantities, I'd definitely recommend trying a sample first. You just never know...
Jeff
@Jeff
04/21/09 16:43:16
94 posts

Corn Syrup


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Marroquin is a great company. BUT...you have to buy a pallet. 2000lbs of corn syrup is a lot of corn syrup.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/08/09 23:37:14
1,689 posts

Corn Syrup


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Sarah:Try Marroquin Organic Commodity Services out of Santa Cruz, CA. They sell a number of different organic corn sweeteners .:: Clay
Sarah Hart
@Sarah Hart
04/08/09 17:43:25
63 posts

Corn Syrup


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So, I do not use corn syrup in my ganaches or toffees but I do use a little in caramels. I have looked for other options-- steen's cane syrup (too distinct a flavor), rice syrup (meh!) and honey (too sweet). I would like another option but I like my recipes- the flavor, the texture. Anybody substitute something eles and if, so what?Also, I'd love a source for Organic corn syrup. I had one-- no more.
Ernesto B. Pantua Jr.
@Ernesto B. Pantua Jr.
03/20/09 14:51:16
7 posts

Corn Syrup


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Hi Clay,Have you tried concentrated coconut nectar? Its almost like a honey but a lot better it has a low GI and healthier than a lot of sweetener. It is 100% coconut nectar. However it is expensive. Here in the Philippines it is being retailed at 8 usd per kg.Jun
Debby
@Debby
03/19/09 08:40:49
10 posts

Corn Syrup


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The majority of my truffles do not use corn syrup. The most basic truffle is simply chocolate, cream and butter. Since I sell my truffles direct to the public at either the farmer's market or craft shows, I tell them that they have a limited shelf life and need to be eaten within the next 2 weeks. Most of the time, people laugh and say that they will be gone by the end of the day. I don't use it, because I don't see the need for it, most of the time. One of the recipes that has corn syrup, I'm actually using as a sweetener because the flavor is lime and I didn't think the white chocolate had enough sweetness to counter the lime juice.Now, I do use corn syrup in the other confections I make, such as caramels and marshmallows.
Luis Dinos Moro
@Luis Dinos Moro
03/18/09 20:27:33
15 posts

Corn Syrup


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I buy premade glucose and invert sugar.
Luis Dinos Moro
@Luis Dinos Moro
03/13/09 19:27:41
15 posts

Corn Syrup


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I use glucose and invert sugar.
Casey
@Casey
03/13/09 16:07:05
54 posts

Corn Syrup


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/jan/27/high-fructose-corn-syrup-mercury guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 27 January 2009 16.10 GMTUS researchers find traces of toxic mercury in high-fructose corn syrup Mercury linked to learning disabilities and heart disease Study published in peer-reviewed journal Environmental HealthA swig of soda or bite of a candy bar might be sweet, but a new study suggests that food made with corn syrup also could be delivering tiny doses of toxic mercury.For the first time, researchers say they have detected traces of the silvery metal in samples of high-fructose corn syrup, a widely used sweetener that has replaced sugar in many processed foods. The study was published yesterday in the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Health.Eating high-mercury fish is the chief source of exposure for most people. The new study raises concerns about a previously unknown dietary source of mercury, which has been linked to learning disabilities in children and heart disease in adults.The source of the metal appears to be caustic soda and hydrochloric acid, which manufacturers of corn syrup use to help convert corn kernels into the food additive.A handful of plants across the US still make the soda and acid by mixing a briny solution in electrified vats of mercury. Some of the toxic metal ends up in the final product, according to industry documents cited in the study.Corn syrup manufacturers insisted their products are mercury-free. But the study noted that at least one maker of caustic soda that has used the mercury-based technology listed the corn syrup industry as a client."This seems like an avoidable source of mercury that we didn't know was out there," said David Wallinga, one of the study's co-authors and a researcher at the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, a Minnesota-based advocacy group.The researchers cautioned that their study was limited. Only 20 samples were analyzed; mercury was detected in nine.Still, the impact of the findings could be significant. High-fructose corn syrup has become such a staple in processed foods that the average American consumes about 12 teaspoons of it daily, according to federal estimates. Teenagers and young children tend to eat more of it than adults.There is no established safe dose for elemental mercury, the type discovered in corn syrup. But the US Environmental Protection Agency says an average-sized woman should limit her exposure to 5.5 micrograms a day of methylmercury, the kind found in fish.If that same woman regularly ate corn syrup contaminated at the highest level detected in the study - 0.57 micrograms per gram - the researchers estimated that she could end up consuming an amount of mercury that is five times higher than the EPA's safe dose.One former EPA scientist who reviewed the paper said more study is needed to establish the risk, if any, posed by contaminated corn syrup. She urged the Food and Drug Administration to conduct a review of food made with the sweetener."For the most part, previous studies haven't found mercury in foods other than fish," said Kathryn Mahaffey, a former EPA scientist who co-wrote a landmark report to Congress on the perils of mercury contamination. "Is this an outlier or something we didn't know about before?"In response to a 2005 Chicago Tribune series about mercury hazards, then-senator Barack Obama introduced legislation that would force chlorine plants to phase out its use or shut down. One plant in Wisconsin later vowed to switch to a mercury-free process by this year, leaving four others - in Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee and West Virginia - that still use the older technology.The new study's lead author, Renee Dufault, began her research while investigating the Wisconsin plant for the FDA in the mid-2000s. But her results weren't published until now, a year after she retired from the agency.An FDA spokesman said he still was waiting for a response to the study. Industry representatives, meanwhile, said the study was outdated."It is important that Americans are provided accurate, science-based information," Audrae Erickson, president of the Corn Refiners Association, said in a statement. "They should know that high-fructose corn syrup is safe."In another statement, the Chlorine Institute said: "It is conceivable that measurable mercury content can be found in high-fructose corn syrup regardless of how it is processed."
Andre Costa
@Andre Costa
03/09/09 09:06:29
103 posts

Corn Syrup


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Hi Lana.Thank you for the explanation. That's quite helpful.
Andre Costa
@Andre Costa
03/08/09 19:50:12
103 posts

Corn Syrup


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Clay,I agree with 100% with you. I believe that anything in excess is bad for you.My point is, if you look at almost any product made in the USA, you are bound to find corn syrup in it.So, even though I expect people to eat chocolate (or anything else, for that matter) in moderation, I was wondering if I can get the same results in my chocolate-making without being another product manufacturer that includes corn syrup in my products. So, if there is an alternative, I would love to know what it is and to experiment with it.I believe that's a very reasonable question.
John DePaula
@John DePaula
03/07/09 10:35:26
45 posts

Corn Syrup


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Well I'm no doctor but I don't subscribe to the notion that corn syrup is bad for you. Unless you put it in just about every single item on the grocery shelves, which is exactly what we do in the U.S. :-(For the average person, the key to good health is to have lots of variety in your diet and conscientiously stay away from processed foods as much as possible. Moderation in all things.What does Michael Pollan say? "Eat Food. Not Too Much. Mostly Plants."There's a place for chocolate bonbons in ones' diet but it shouldn't be a major food group.Just my opinion. :-)
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/07/09 10:35:00
1,689 posts

Corn Syrup


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Water is bad for your health if you drink too much of it.The amount of corn syrup you're talking about in a single piece is fractions of a gram. In that amount is it better or worse (considered solely from a health perspective) than refined white sugar?Probably not.You're over thinking this. There are far more important things to worry about when it comes to chocolate.
Andre Costa
@Andre Costa
03/06/09 20:56:03
103 posts

Corn Syrup


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I guess my major concern is whether corn syrup can be bad for one's health. I hear different things from different people.
John DePaula
@John DePaula
03/06/09 16:11:48
45 posts

Corn Syrup


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Oh my gosh, you certainly don't want to omit it. Doing so would drastically alter the balance of the recipe and reduce the shelf-life as well.Typically, you can substitute glucose roughly 1:1. You can try substituting other sweeteners, but you'll have to rebalance the level of sweetness. Honey, for example, can be used but it shifts the flavor profile in a direction that may not be desirable since honey is not very neutral.
Andre Costa
@Andre Costa
03/06/09 09:24:21
103 posts

Corn Syrup


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So basically if a recipe asks for corn syrup, I can simply disregard the ingredient? Or should I replace it with something else - it does add sweetness, correct?
Andre Costa
@Andre Costa
03/05/09 09:42:17
103 posts

Corn Syrup


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I thought I've seen a thread called "How do you make your truffles" (or something similar), but I could not find it.I am very new to bonbon and truffle making (got yet to get started), but during a class I took at ICE in NYC, we were told that although their recipes called for corn syrup, we could make the ganaches without it.Do you use corn syrup? Why (or why not)? I would like a better understanding on this ingredient.Thanks,Andre CostaChocolatier-to-be
updated by @Andre Costa: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Ramon Recalde
@Ramon Recalde
06/12/12 17:28:46
8 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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Mindy,

I agree with many of the posts thatsuggestyoudon'ttake offense to the term "re-melter." Actually a true chocolatier should wear the badge with pride as long as he/she is using the best and purest possible chocolate available to them. For all we know, that person that "belittled" the term uses toll house chocolate chips! Just do what you do best, with passion and love for the trade!... everything else will come to you due to your hard work!

Andremember, not everyone can roast cacao on a dime! or for that matter, do it right!

Jim Greenberg
@Jim Greenberg
04/23/12 11:03:58
34 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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And we move on from here...

Thanks, Mindy.

Jim

Mindy Fong
@Mindy Fong
04/23/12 11:00:20
19 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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I'm amazed that people are still replying to this after 3 years. Jim, your response is the best one yet. Thank you.

According to their FaceBook Company Overview, the original company in question still uses the term 're-melters'. I know for a fact they have lost business with a few of us re-melters for use of this term and way of thinking.

That's okay though, with today's market, there's plenty more to engage business with.

Paul Frantellizzi
@Paul Frantellizzi
04/23/12 01:07:33
1 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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Jim is on the money. Do whatever you do with passion and integrity. I melt, re-melt, flavor, grind, blend... I also happen to make movies, make a good dad, and try to make a good living.Just tell the damn truth, and be who you are, respect yourself, and your competitors. Make Chocolate, and make it your own.P
Jim Greenberg
@Jim Greenberg
04/22/12 09:42:11
34 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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I feel compelled to ad my 2 cents here as I have had to explain to non-industry folks at chocolate tastings I have conducted the difference between a chocolate producer and a chocolatier/confectioner. We all know the difference, but we also know that creativity and craftsmanship may be expressed in many forms. While M & M/Mars is a volume producer of mass-market commericial finished goods, they also roast a lot of beans. Conversely, the good folks at See's Candies have never roasted a bean and they are driven to quality as much as the next guy.

It is paramount the we educate the consumer on their options and teach them to differentiate so that they can make decisions based on knowledge and not solely advertising, negative or otherwise. The information must be conveyed thoughtfully, objectively and accurately. I do not condone 'bashing' as a form of education. We are not the Chocolate Police but it is not inconceivable that a little respectful policing is in the best interest of the industry.

Roast, melt...whatever you do, do it with integrity, passion and creativity and advocate for an open and collegial environment for all to thrive and succeed.

Andy Johnson
@Andy Johnson
04/08/12 14:39:55
8 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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Ok, this discussion is getting pretty old......let's wrap it up and close it out. Bean to Bar producers orcreative pastry chefs crafting chocolate confections from wonderful chocolates--- we are all artisans making beautiful products for other to enjoy---- let's move on and get some more productive discussions going!!

Andy Johnson

Belle Fleur Chocolates

Paul Johnson
@Paul Johnson
04/06/12 20:06:19
7 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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I have been making chocolate "at origin" from tree-to-bar in Costa Rica for about 3 years...the last 1.5 years really starting to produce a viable amount to support our family. Our challenge has been defining our chocolate as something better than the "rustic" chocolate that is not tempered or conched.

I just wanted to agree with Dirke on his two cents. Whatever you do, do it well and if you buy chocolate to use for your truffles or bars then give the "chocolate maker" some credit. Since we are also cacao producers, we are very aware of each stage of the chocolate process....not to say we are experts. But each player is important and those who are doing it all...know that everyone deserved all the credit and "Value added" to making chocolate.

I understand the bean-to-bar chocolate makers difficulty selling to "re-melters"...we have had several chocolateers, and pastry chefs who want to use our chocolate for their products because it is from Costa Rica and is superior in quality. However...we cannot produce that kind of volume and need to make the maximum value added. I only will wholesale to people who are going to give credit and pay fair value all the way to the producers.

Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
02/14/12 23:14:09
98 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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Really has it comes to terms that define what we do? I am a chocolatier, I melt chocolate to create new and exciting things. Why would that be a bad thing? Call me a re-melter if you wish. LOL

We are all artisans in our own way regardless of what we do. " re-melter " sounds negative but in the grande scheme of things does anyone care? I don't think the average consumer or even a more savvy chocolate lover would really care what you call it.....As long as it taste good, looks good and people enjoy it, that's what matters most, no?

Be proud of what you do. Just my two cents.


updated by @Dirke Botsford: 07/04/15 16:51:23
Clive Brown
@Clive Brown
02/02/12 10:38:00
12 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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Just means that the Tcho employee does not understand the complexities of 're-melting'!

Kalibri Anne
@Kalibri Anne
01/28/12 14:22:27
5 posts

Chocolatiers = Re-melters?


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